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It's teak.  Take it off and throw it away!

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Cuda,

You are right, I think the only exposed wood I have is the cabin door and I too am looking at Starboard or something to replace it with..

sceptre155
The wood in the photo that you are talking about shoucl be Teak, looks like the one in the photo has a finish of some type on it.  That piece of the boat is called the "Covering Board" .  Although teak is beatiful when finished correctly and won't rot, it still requires upkeep and I am trying to eliminate all of that that I can.

Thanks,

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Posted: April 18 2005 at 00:00 | IP Logged Quote 233 Double E

I was thinking the same thing...varnished teak ...but wanted to make sure Cuda gave info on it first.

Although Cuda seems a bit undecided on what you should do with itWink  , I think that if yours looks as good as the picture you've used, that's pretty good.

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duplicate. Sorry

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Mine had teak strips running along that surface.  I removed them, filled the holes and painted it.

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Teak does look beautiful when it has just been refinished, but if you plan on using the boat, you have to refinish it about every month.  It's more for show boats in my opinion, which my boat isn't.

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Posted: April 18 2005 at 00:00 | IP Logged Quote sceptre155

Teak it is..

I need to redo mine, sand etc.... if it doesnt come out nice I'll see what it looks like without the wood. I would like to keep the rail system tho.

Just tried remounting one of the outdrives I took off.  What a pain in the butt that is !!! After screwing around with it for 30 miuntes I gave up for the afternoon.  Other then lining up the shifter are they any other tricks?

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sceptre155 wrote:

Teak it is..

I need to redo mine, sand etc.... if it doesnt come out nice I'll see what it looks like without the wood. I would like to keep the rail system tho.

 

 

 

If you plan to keep the teak, don't throw the sandpaper away.  You'll need it next month.



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I'm sure it's posted somewhere, but I couldn't find what type of outdrive you have.

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Teak is that much work eh?

sounds like I should turn it into firewood :)

Soon as I get al of the mechanics of the boat where I want them I'm going to start doing some gelcoat / screw hole filling repairs.

Any tips?

Sceptre

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Teak sucks!  Yes, it's that much work.

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Well the teak is done.  I'm waiting for some parts so i figured I'd see what it would look like.  Pretty much looks like the pic I posted. So for now I'm going to leave it.  To many other things on the to do list. Maybe when I'm ready to go around and fill screw holes etc... I'll take it off.  I'm leaning towards agreeing with you guys and that it would probably look better without the wooden rails.

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Well, I finished shooting the paint about a month ago.  When it dried, I could see sandpaper marks here and there in it.  I couldn't decide whether to just say it was good enough and move on, or sand it back down to repaint.  Yesterday evening, I was walking past it, and couldn't take it anymore.  I started sanding it back down.



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Any Ideas what I may be looking at for a top speed?

boat weighs about 7000lbs and a tank of gas.

I have no idea what props are on it yet, I suppose that will have alot to do with it.

I'm running two merc 470's, havent checked compression, but they sure do run good.  I'm running a 255 castaway BTW.

I seen a post over at http://www.breezeworks.net/ from rhino finding some roller rockers that work on the 470's. It's probably the first upgrade I'll do to them. Another 6% hp across the board wouldnt hurt I'm sure. Thought about the 4 barrel carb setup,  but I cant decide if I want that kind of a hit on the ole GPH

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Posted: April 21 2005 at 00:00 | IP Logged Quote 233 Double E

Sceptre,

Don't even give that teak a chance to worry you each month.  The original owner varnished the teak on mine, even the swim platform.  23 years later and I'm just now having to re-coat the platform (as in an earlier post).  I could let the rest of the wood ride for another year but I've got the motivation for it now.  I'll be re-varnishing it.  Granted, only the swim platform is where the varnishing has any effect on grip but being young & still agile, I know to mind my steps on it.

I would say that if you just want to mess with it once and not think about it for a few years (and you're not in Southern Florida), you should be able to sand it a bit, coat it a couple of times and be done with it.  It will still look good and you can put the sandpaper away.  If someone wants the raw teak back someday, it can still happen with some sanding.  Teak is pretty tough to hurt.

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What are people using for anchor box?

As you ca see frrom that pic i post I dont have any :)

I've been thinking about making a wrap around bench seat for the rear that movable.  But inbetween the two corners make a storage box that I could put hte anchor in.

 

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I use the open storage area on the inside, where it looks like skis are supposed to go. 

I've thought about mounting it down at my feet when driving, against the wall at the helm, but I fear that the board material there may not withstand the weight & hardware very well with out substantial reinforcement.

For now as indicated, I'm keepng it in the open storage "rails" along the gunwales, still attached to the rode, with the line coiled up and snaking under the bench seat.

I have the fixed bench seat on the back along with sunpad though, similar to Cuda's.

I wonder if temporarily, (in advance of the moveable bench seat) you could build a small cabinet to store it in that mounts to either of the sides under that wood rail, towards the back corner.

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Thanks 233 Double E and tpenfield for your input. The jumping over the windshield to an chor might be the reason why the middle of the windshield is not solid. I guess I have to figure out a way to make solid. I am picking up the boat Saturday morning. I'll keep you updated.  Take care. n  Bob    
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That sucks about the sand marks Cuda.  The sanding part probably goes quick. Shooting it on the otherhand.

 

The other thing about that bench seat Idea was I really need some additional seating.

Well last night I went for the gold and tore out the entire enterior of the boat.  I'm redoing all the cushions etc... when I noticed that when I looked in the starboard side storage compartment in the eating area that things were just not right.

The bottom of the compartment had some shoddy looking fiberglass work in the bottom.  basically it looked like a section that didn't matter as to what it looked like, rough surface etc.. Thinking that formula would me alittle more professional about it I checked the port side. And yes, that looked much better. Then I started looking closer to details. the walls surrounding the head were seperated from the hull by about 3/4 of a inch. 

Thats right houston, she hit something..HARD.  By the looks of the repair it was done a long time ago.  The outside of the Hull looks brand new. I couldnt find any indication at all of it being hit.  I'm not going to worry bout it. I tried pushing on things pretty hard and didnt see any give in anything. plus the waters I ride in hardley ever get waves bigger then 2 feet.  But I am going to finish the inside compartment so that its totally sealed.  Boat history yay !

As far as the head liner I was thinking of using some 3m contact cement to reattach the soime loose areas. Any reason I should use 3M contact cemet? or is there something else I should use?

 

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Posted: April 22 2005 at 00:00 | IP Logged Quote 233 Double E

Robert,

 I only go over if I'm in a hurry and all I have to carry with me now (since learning the smart way here) is the rope.

As you can see by the pic, it's easier to go around, but your's might be set up differently.

Can you tell me what you mean by not solid in the middle?

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Hey guys, long time no post here....

Been deep into a "transformation" of my F233

Here's a coupla links where you can see what I have been doing.  What do you guys think?  I know, she's no longer Original and "Unmolested", lol.


http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/showthread.php?t=1079



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Wow!!!  You're da man!!!  That's a fish.  When you cut it open, did you find a license plate?
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The upholsterer finished my sundeck. It looks fantastic! I don't know if you can tell from the picture, but the bird is like a padded vinyl, so it stands out from the seat a bit. I like it.

There is one problem. I'm sure glad I took Debbie with me to pick it up. While I was paying for it, she found a spot where it looks like it was drug across something or sewn against or something. Anyway, I showed it to the guy, and he's going to redo the whole thing. I brough it home anyway to double check the fit since he has to do it over anyway. Next time I better wear my glasses when I'm inspecting stuff.

 



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Careful Cuda....

The "family" from Indiana is going to kidnap you and make you one of their own...

Seriously, that's friggin awesome! 

Pretty good of Deb to see that and of the person doing the work to remedy it.

Have a good weekend all!

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233 Double E wrote:

Careful Cuda....

The "family" from Indiana is going to kidnap you and make you one of their own...

Only if they plan on relocating to Florida!



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Hey Double E,

First let me compliment you on a beautiful looking boat. It looks great!! I hope mine will look like yours when I am done. The bow/windshield and rails configurations look like mine. There's a little give about an inch(pressing down from the top of the the midddle of the windshield). Is that normal? By the way, Formula did not make user manuals for my model. I picked up the boat a week ago, and planning on working on it. I already ordered the decals from Formula, and they didn't have a replacement fuse panel because mine looked worn out with green tarnish all over it. Some things don't work (i.e. horn, radio, interior lights and courtesy lights), and I figured I mind as well change the fuse panel and go from there. Any suggestions on where I can find a replacement panel? Thanks.   Bob    

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Thanks Bob!  Now if grad school classes will ever end this spring, I'll be able to get it in the water once or twice.  (I'm tired of studying so I'm taking the summer off to be more like Cuda.)

Mine didn't have a manual either and I don't think the original owner got one either.  I just have the service manual for the engine and outdrive by a second source (like Haynes or Chiltons) and the Sales brochure from the vintage formula site.

I understand that Formula can be contacted for assistance with wiring diagrams for some older models but the chances for mine and yours are probably slim.

That windshield sounds like it has at least twice the flex of mine.  I'm not sure what to look at regarding how to go about tightening it back up.

I would like to think that you could take that fuse panel down, remove the parts from it as much as possible, and put the corroded metal (green parts) in some CLR water stain remover.  Let them soak for a bit, scrub with a toothbrush, rinse and see how it comes out.  If the metal parts still have enough integrity to hold shape, it should work fine.  Use some "di-lectric" grease for the reassembly.  That ought to get you buy until a new one is found (if you still need it) and at least through the troubleshooting of each component.  I forget what sort of fuse panel it is but would generic one from a boat supply store work?

Let me know if when you get to the horns (twin AFI units?) they work or not.  I may be able to offer help on getting them operational again.



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I think all of the Formula wiring diagrams are basically the same.  They use the same color wire for the same power source, but some may have more accessories than others.  I'm sure Formula can tell what they are.

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Hey Folks,

Not to change the subject but I just ran into a problem that was unexpected.  Just about finished the interior rebuild on my F20 and while replacing the fuel fill hose in the engine compartment, I found some rotten wood in the stringers next to the engine. My engine is not supported by these stringers, the engine supporting brackets are actually mounted to the bottom of the boat. 

My question is once I determine how bad it is, has anyone ever used this Seacast or Git Rot on something like this, or should I bite the bullet, tear the floor up and replace the damaged stringer ('s) itself. The floor is solid and appears to have been replaced recently, just didn't go far enough.  I don't really mind doing the work, but I was at the point of launching this thing next week after doing a lot of interior work, ready to start enjoying it. I am sure that Cuda or some others have ran into this before. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

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Posted: May 10 2005 at 00:00 | IP Logged Quote 233 Double E

Butch,

Change the subject anytime you have a need/concern.  We'll still follow along with Bob & others, no problem.

Cuda is da man for that sort of stuff.  I have a self-concerning follow-up question though.  Was yours often used in saltwater?

More to the point, are you able to determine what caused that particular section to be an issue? As you know, mine is close to the same age and I want to be on the look out for like things.  (It will be a long drive to Florida to have Cuda fix it if so.)

I also wonder if Sceptre Or Maksumm (Mike Summers in Annapolis, MD) has any experience with what options there are and what's best.

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Here's my contribution to the forum.  1978 233 Interceptor, twin 355 CID Chevys. Completely refurbished in 1994. Solid as a rock and great on the big water of Lake Huron.  By the way, I'm repropping the boat.  I've been running 23" hydromotives and 23" round ear Thunderbolts.  Thinking Mirage Plus.  Any suggestions appreciated. 



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I can't help out on the rot issue, everything in my F20 is rock solid.  I inspected the transom when we swapped drives.

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Daggumit that’s sweet!  I love the twin motors.  Is it difficult to work on?

Welcome on!  We’re really glad you’ve dropped in on us.

Help me out with that exhaust setup…does it really send water and exhaust over the swim platform?

Can you tell me how much a trailer like that would sell for new and/or used?

That yellow reminds me of Fintage and Cuda’s.  I never thought much of a yellow boat ‘till I saw how you guys make them look so good.

 

One more question (from a previous topic) how do you weigh anchor;  tossing it over and then carrying the bitter end to the bow I guess, ....but do you go over or around the winshield (or even through the hatch)?

 

Ever thought about chopping your bow rail down about 4 inches?  I’ve considered it but will probably never get serious about it.  I can imagine the resulting look of the bow would be pretty sweet.

 

Be sure to look over the previous postings to get to know everyone.

Again, Welcome On!!!!

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Great looking boat  WC.  I imagine either the exhaust or the swim platform wasn't factory.  I'm betting on the exhaust.

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Double e,

 I responded the other day to your reply, but it didn't take. The reason for the rot,after further inspection, appeas that when prior owner replaced the decking, good looking job by the way, didn't take it far enough.  In the engine compartment area, the deck covers thestringer and stops, should have glassed over the stringer and all the way to the bottom of the hull.  The way it is now water can and has , run under the deck between the stringer and deck and into the stringer via srew holes holding the deck down as well as bedind the stringer whare I have no access (YET).  looks like I can replace the section of stringer ajacent to the engine, without removing the floor as long as I don't find any other surprises, I'm still in the exploration stage. After talking to some local boat builders, think I will cut a new stringer to fit, pull it out, completely cover it with glass and resin and epoxy it into place. Shouldn't be that hard once i reveal all the damaged wood, looks like I'll have to start stocking up on beer.

Thanks,

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233 Double E:

Oh, the twins are sweet....when they get singin' in unison through those 4" pipes it's like heaven.  When I first found this boat my marine tech buddy told me "don't worry bout' those twins".....well needless to say, 16 plugs, two oil filters, two props, 10 quarts of oil....they are a bit more expensive-but two is twice as nice!

Yes, the Stainless Marine exhaust was my addition and it does dump on the swim platform...keeps it nice & warm on those cool Lake Huron evenings.

Can't help you on the trailer issue, came with the boat.  The Yellow is a special one off color but the boat was originally yellow...not quite so bright (hence Water Canary).

I weigh anchor through the hatch generally...easier that wandering around the windshield.  When I was redoing the boat I considered lowering the rail height but found that it would be a serious rework....now I'm glad I didn't because I love the classic look.

Anyway, thought I'd share it.  Best to everyone.

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WC, the boat looks like a real wave crusher in great condition.  Unless you use it a lot, I'd lose the swim platform and that would really clean up the transom for a sleek racy look.  You might want to loose the "Captain Ahab" bow rail too.  I took it off my F20, and I think it looks much better.

 



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Mine didn't have a swim platform, but it had a swim step that I removed.



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Posted: May 13 2005 at 00:00 | IP Logged Quote 233 Double E

WC,

Cuda teased me about being Captain Ahab when I showed up on these various threads with mine too.  I like your description of the classic look as the reason to keep it, although if mine came with the optional bow mounted spot light, I’d have removed it long ago.

 

Oh yeah….Cuda’s da man for a lot of things Formula. We think his wife Deb was a one-off model as well as you can tell by the avatar. (We don’t think he actually works for a living, but rather plays around all day with Donzi’s & old Aronow ‘Birds.)

 

Don’t tell him if you’ve got the bimini for yours either, unless it is to describe how you put it by the curb for the weekly refuse pickup. For some reason he also denies that the Florida sun can cloud rational thought.

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Posted: May 14 2005 at 00:00 | IP Logged Quote Water Canary

Aye matey, e'll keep the swim deck to be boardin other boats & e'll keep the bow rail to hang me winnin's. Tell Cuda ey got some teak in er too.

Ahab...

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