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oresmeguerra
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Posted: September 11 2005 at 00:00 | IP Logged Quote oresmeguerra

I just got a 71 Formula 233 with the 350 v8 - the engine is out of service do you know of a place where to rebuild it?

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Posted: October 06 2005 at 00:00 | IP Logged Quote Seafire

Hello 74 Formula 233,

I'd appreciate receiving a copy of the literature you have on the 1965 233.

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74Formula233 - Hey Eric, I am going to look at a '73 233 this weekend in Warwick.  I was hoping I could ask you a few questions, and get your opinion on the listing.  Can you drop me an e-mail or pm?  We were on a few of the same threads over at THT a while back. 

Thanks.

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Hello Formula 233,

I asked for a copy of the 65 233 a while back.  Never got a response.  Is there anything thing I can do to help with getting a copy?

Thanks Ray

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Hey 74 Formula 233,

Thanks for getting back to us.

Ray

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74Formula233
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kitebuz wrote:

74Formula233 - Hey Eric, I am going to look at a '73 233 this weekend in Warwick.  I was hoping I could ask you a few questions, and get your opinion on the listing.  Can you drop me an e-mail or pm?  We were on a few of the same threads over at THT a while back. 

Thanks.

Email will be sent soon




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74Formula233
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Hi guys, sorry about the literature....I'm not on this forum much lately, so I missed the above posts.

Email me your address if you want me to mail a copy, and I'll do it ASAP

ericnmish@yahoo.com




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65 233 Formula
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65 233 Formula wrote:

Hello Everyone. Just found you folks recently. As my username states, I have a 1965 Formula 233 that I picked up back in 2001. She's off white top and hull, helm on port side, cockpit is the teak overlay over plywood, no kitchenette extras or really any seating besides two in the cockpit. Power is 2 110hp ib Volvo Pentas, installed in 1989. Also, she has stainless or aluminum rub rails, not rubber as in later models. Oh also, she's got twin headlights set in the hull on either side just under the bow, very cool. If one of you can tell me where to find the hull number, I can post that for you here as well.

She's for sale, in Minneapolis, MN. Unfortunately, soon after I bought her, I hit a bump in the road, my left leg was amputated due to a traumatic injury (lost my sense of balance and general mobility as well), so I'm really no longer comfortable trying to climb around her even out of the water.

I've got 26 pictures, taken with a point n shoot camera, but I don't know the first thing about how to post them here in the forum, but could email them as attachments to anyone interested. My email should be in the profile.

Been trying to sell her for a while in the Boat Trader, with a few nibbles, but noone really appreciating her for what she is. Wish I could offer her 'Free to good home', but I took out a loan to get her, and need just enough money to pay off the loan. Thanks in advance for any interest.

All the Best,

Erik J.

Hello, everyone. Just an update on what's happening with my 65 233 Formula. Had some lookers, no takers yet. JohnMHat kindly offered to post 25 pics I had taken, and apparently he's posted them somewhere around here, though I don't know how I'd go about finding the link for them. Hope one of you can find them for me and connect them with this post.

Anyway, she's still for sale, for $2312.00 firm. I'd like to be able to offer 'best offer', heck, I'd love to be able to offer it 'free to good home', but the $2312 is needed to pay off the loan on it and get it released. I'm getting set to wrap it up in a 20' x 30' blue Walmart tarp; but I suppose I could rig up a big red bow if someone wants to stick it under the Christmas tree LOL. It was nice to hear about that 64 sales literature on her, and that the original engines were a pair of 110 Volvo Pentas, the same as she's carrying now, except that they were replaced in 1989. And that the price back in 64 was $7995. Considering you could get a nice car for half of that price back in 64 (I bought my first car in 1964, for $400., a 1956 2dr Mercury (not sure the model; she was the bathtub model, 2 tone paint job, a push button automatic shift, and a 312 V8 engine :-).

Anyway, I hope there's some interest among one of you, as she is a little big for my tastes, and awkward for me to climb around on, with my prosthetic leg. So let me know, and maybe we can do something before the snow starts flying up here. Whatever happens, it's been nice to find this forum, and be able to talk Formula boats with all of you.

All the Best, Erik Jorgensen

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Hello 74FORMULA223,

Received the info on the 223, really appreciate it.

Thanks Ray

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blystovski
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Final run of the season today, and at wide open throttle (WOT) I was topping out at around 3100 RPM.  Is this about correct for a Mercruiser 888?  I have the service manual but can't seem to find mention of desired operating range or the engine's power curve.

Also - my prop is in need of rebuilding and vibrates the boat slightly.  This of course disapears as I speed up.  However, after running it around for about 20 minutes today I noticed some water in the bilge.  Is it possible that it's making its way past (I think this is what it's called) the transom seal under heavy vibration?

Thanks for any help.  Is there ANYONE else out there with an F-20?  Seems to be a lot of talk centered around 233's and up...
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fshtalzF233C
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I have a couple of Mercruiser manuals that list WOT ranges between 4200 and 4800 for the engines covered. (3.0, 4.3, 5.0 & 5.7) However, these manuals do not cover the 888. 3100 sounds very low for WOT on a gas engine but my range of experience is limited. There are more than a few members out there who really know their stuff when it comes to engine performance. How about it guys!

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blystovski

Yes I have an F20, with the 470 Mercruiser which is the 4 cylinder / 170 hp. Your wot does seem a low for that engine, I know mine is about 4400-4600. As far as the water goes there are a number of places it sould be coming from, one thing to check is whether it is hot or cold water.  This would determine if its from outside or if its fromyour cooling system. One common cooling leak is the sea water side of your heat exchanger if you have fresh water cooling. The ends of the heat exchanger are caps with rubber gaskets and are proned to leaking or it could be a number of hoses that could be leaking.  The best thing is to just have someone run the boat while you just search around while running. You should have a removable engine box which would give you pretty good acces to the engine itself.  Let us know how you make out.

Good Luck,

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74Formula233
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saxophonist wrote:

Hello 74FORMULA223,

Received the info on the 223, really appreciate it.

Thanks Ray

No problem, I sent it out to 2 guys that emailed me their addresses.  Hope it is of use or at least cool info. anyway





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74Formula233
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blystovski wrote:
Final run of the season today, and at wide open throttle (WOT) I was topping out at around 3100 RPM.  Is this about correct for a Mercruiser 888?  I have the service manual but can't seem to find mention of desired operating range or the engine's power curve.

Also - my prop is in need of rebuilding and vibrates the boat slightly.  This of course disapears as I speed up.  However, after running it around for about 20 minutes today I noticed some water in the bilge.  Is it possible that it's making its way past (I think this is what it's called) the transom seal under heavy vibration?

Thanks for any help.  Is there ANYONE else out there with an F-20?  Seems to be a lot of talk centered around 233's and up...

If I'm not mistaken, the Mercruiser 888 was a Ford 302 powerplant (2-Barrel Carb).  In which case your max. RPM range is 3800-4200 RPMs.

If you're getting only 3100, you have either a simple prop problem (wrong size, pitch, or bad condition) or you have a more serious power or drive problem.  I would not run it (under power) until you figure the problem out.




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captainauti wrote:

hey everyone....i have a'79 f-20, with  a magnum 350 merc and an alpha. i am having a prop problem as where i cant get the boat to hook up and grab at WOT.i am running a 25 pitch 3 blade now, can run to 5200 rpm.  the last 1000 to 1200 rpm'sgains 2 mph and no push. i am receiving full trim and the hull is straight.  have tried 23 to 26 inch props, cleavers, choppers, 3,4,5 blades......nothing works yet. want to grab top end. any thoughts would be great. or anyone with the same boat , id like to hear from.

thanx, nate

Sounds like your about right as far as dialed in.  What speed are you getting at those rpm?



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hey everyone....i have a'79 f-20, with  a magnum 350 merc and an alpha. i am having a prop problem as where i cant get the boat to hook up and grab at WOT.i am running a 25 pitch 3 blade now, can run to 5200 rpm.  the last 1000 to 1200 rpm'sgains 2 mph and no push. i am receiving full trim and the hull is straight.  have tried 23 to 26 inch props, cleavers, choppers, 3,4,5 blades......nothing works yet. want to grab top end. any thoughts would be great. or anyone with the same boat , id like to hear from.

thanx, nate



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Resto continues on the F20.  Got started on the new rubrail.  I don't think anything I've done up to this point has made a bigger difference in how the boat looks.  It will get a white centerpiece when it's all up.

Note:  The lines are much straighter than they appear in the pictures.



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im getting 50.2 gps at around 4150 rpm, AND ONLY GAIN TO 52.6 GPS AT 5200 RPM.

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Cuda
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Here's a couple shots taken this weekend on Lake George.

 



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Cooder,

I have what apperas to be a green light on a 1998 271.

With galv. trailer it is going for $33K

What do I need to make sure it has for options.  It will be in Fresh water only save for a day trip to salt twice a year for a total of 4 days.

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You sure that's a 1998?  Looks like an older model.

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Sorry...My current bird ('81 F-233) is pictured. 

The 98 is definately a 98.  I have the hull ID on it.

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Do you have a picture of it?  What kind of power?

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White hull with single 502.  B1 outdrive. 288 hours on the clock.

It has a "splash" of graphics on the side & subtle matching upholstery.

I can't get a pic right now but it is clean, no bottom paint & no dings.

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That 502 will run forever.  Great engines.



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$33 sounds low to me.  Got an opinion on it from what little bit if info you have?  (N.A.D.A. shows low also.)

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Wow.

HitfrequenSEAII, I like it. It is about time. Thanks



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HitfrequenSEAII, one featue I always liked is the "Active Topics". Let me know if I can assist in any way.

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Topics that had new posts on today since last log in. BoatUS tracks by a cookie last time a person logged in and then shows any topics that had new posts to them since last login.

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HitfrequenSEAII, an introduction post section will also be a good idea.

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Hello HitfrequenSEAII,

Sounds good.  I registered.  Thanks for the effort.

Ray

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Hi all,

I got tired of looking for a dedicated Forumla forum.  So I set one up myself.  Its brand new, started today.

www.formulaboatsforum.com

Still needs some work, let me know what you think.

 

Steve

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lbi4fun

What do you mean by active topics?

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HitfrequenSEAII wrote:

Hi all,

I got tired of looking for a dedicated Forumla forum.  So I set one up myself.  Its brand new, started today.

www.formulaboatsforum.com

Still needs some work, let me know what you think.

 

Steve

I'm in.



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Sweet!  I have been unable to better organize our home (nest) here on BoatUS and not being a moderator or having experience with it, have not had resources to do so.

It looks great and will get better with time and use, much like this one did. 



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