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Pats2nd Connie
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Posted: June 28 2013 at 22:14 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

I am just about to purchase my second Connie. 1st one was a 30'.
1956.. Question is, oil samples showed fuel in oil, diminishing it to
10w. Internal fuel issue? Can I repair myself? 1,2,3rd part to analyze?

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Posted: July 31 2013 at 09:56 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Pat,

Guess it depends on how much fuel there is.  Trace amounts can probably be tolerated.  But large amounts indicate a problem.  Was the oil in the samples from both engines?  What engines does she have?

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Posted: July 31 2013 at 22:02 | IP Logged Quote eshover

Not only what engines, but how many hours? Did you have
them surveyed? A good diesel surveyor will give you an
opinion on where the fuel is coming from. If the injectors
(or injector) is leaking badly enough to dilute the oil to
10W, you're also washing down the cylinder walls with fuel
increasing wear and possible damage to the cylinder walls.
IMHO- unless you're a decent motorhead with diesel
experience, you can chase your tail and spend (read:
waste) money! Get a good mechanic and have an
inspection performed. In the long run, it's money in the
bank. Who did the oil analysis?

Emory

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Pats2nd Connie
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Posted: August 01 2013 at 07:34 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

Thanks for responding guys. I did have an engine surveyor for my DD
6v-92's. the problem is with the onan 20kw genny. Upon visual
inspection the fuel pump is leaking externally. I assume it is also
leaking internally .   I turned this over to a mechanic, however I have
been waiting for two weeks for the fix. He says pump is not available
and I need to switch to an electric pump.
I have owned the boat for a month now and have spent most of my
time cleaning, fluid changing, bilge cleaning , etc...

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Posted: August 01 2013 at 09:34 | IP Logged Quote eshover

Pat,
The cleaning and maintenance never ends! Part of owning
a big ol' boat like this. I look at it this way, if I had to pull
my wallet out to have everything done that is required by
this old girl, I'd be bankrupt! So, I do all I can myself (as
do many of us older boat owners).
RE: genny. Parts for these generators are hard to come by
due to age, as you've discovered. If you trust the
mechanic, I would take his advice. HOwever, performing
an internet search with nomenclature, model, part numbers
can sometimes work a miracle or two. I have had
mechanics try their "usual" sources and immediately tell
me that a part isn't available, only for me to find it in some
remote spot in the country. Give it a shot. But if it is
critical and you need the genny now, go with the electric
pump. If you then find an OEM pump, you can always buy
it as a back-up.
As with Pete, myself, and others (many who are no longer
allowed to post because they are not BOAT US members)
have a wealth of knowledge with these Connies. We're
here to help.

Emory

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Posted: September 05 2013 at 20:28 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

Hello Guys, replaced the air filter/ silencers today with some I found a
Tennessee Filter. Ready to go to the scrap yard.   Got z2 for $40 and
they have 8 more. They are longer so I added a elbow hung them
from the ceiling with rubber hangers.   Sound great and now I know
engines are getting plenty of fresh, clean air. Do the oil breather pipes
have to connect to them or can I just put a drip can under them?

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Posted: September 06 2013 at 10:55 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi All,

Subject:Genny Problems

About two weeks ago I had a major battle with my genny.  The water pump quit abruptly but (fortunately) the overheat shutdown worked  and shut the engine down before any damage was done.  Genny water pump problems are usually due to leaky gaskets or worn out impellers.  It's happened several times in the past.

So I bought a new set of gaskets and a new impeller at West Marine for about $35 and installed them.  But the pump still didn't work.  It only produced a trickle of water. After about a week of testing and retesting I finally called in my mechanic (Bob Granados).  I was lucky and he was able to come the next morning.

After about an hour of checking he produced an answer; Your water pump is toast!  The mechanical parts of the pump were just so far worn down that gaskets and impellers or other fixes just weren't going to work.

I ordered a new pump on the web for $360 and it arrived the following day.  One more day and I had it installed and it was running effectively.  The genny is now producing a real gusher of cooling water.

I don't like to call in the mechanics unless it's absolutely necessary.  They cost money!  But sometimes you have to call them.  Bob has been my regular mechanic for about ten years now and I've always felt that I got my money's worth out of his repairs.

I haven't been posting much lately due to the very anemic activity on this site.  I've been trying to set up a new Connie forum on the Chris Craft Catalina site.  It's a good site but has far too many regulations; don't think I can make it work.

This is still the best boating forum on the web but unfortunately the requirement that you be a Boat US member in order to post on it has killed it.  In the meantime, I've been making up a new mailing list so that if I find a new site for a Constellation forum I'll be able to notify the other Connie owners of its existance.

Pete37

PS:  Last week the tachometer on the starboard engine started reading only half of the actual rpms.  This led to a major overhaul of the engine wiring system from the FB to the bilge.  The problem was that the wiring was poorly secured and one of the spade type connectors had pulled out and shorted out several of the engine circuits.  The temperature gauge wiring was also completely burned out.  Happy to say that it's al been fixed and the engine gauges are reading more accurately than ever before.



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Pats2nd Connie
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Posted: September 06 2013 at 19:18 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

I feel ya' Pete. Congrats on fixing that.   My Connie was previously
"Joe Bin". And Cash Flow.   I have changed my air filter / silencers on
the aft end turbo.   Is it necessary to but the oil breather tubes to the
new filters?   Both of them, as the outboard on the previous set-up was
just holding up the inboard pipe.   Also how can I get a copy of the
Murray forum?   Patrick@hoffmanbuilders.org

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Posted: September 12 2013 at 11:42 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

Hello? Anybody there?

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Posted: September 12 2013 at 13:04 | IP Logged Quote eshover

Pat - not sure what you mean by Murray forum?? Pete
offers a CD of most pertinent information which has been
gleaned from members of the forum (past and the few that
are present).

If he sees your post, I'm sure he'll respond. It's a "must
have" for Connie owners of our genre'. I believe it
contains my removal and installation of the water tank as
well as many other specs, projects, etc.

It is sad that BoatUS took the action it did. We've lost most
of our posters due to this.

If you use Facebook, look for "Christ Craft Constellation"
and the home page will come up. However, there hasn't
been action there either.

I believe there is also a way to search this forum's archives
by subject and get a lot of info.

If you have Detriot Diesels (as you surely must), joining
www.boatdiesel.com is a must. Great mechanics on that
site offer much insight and advice to us old 2 cycle diesel
owners.   I pay the $25.00 bucks a year and it's worth
every dime.

Good luck!

Emory Shover
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1986 500 Connie


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Posted: September 12 2013 at 13:17 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

Thanks Emory, everyday is a challenge restoring this boat and the any
advice I can receive is greatly appreciated. Is the cost of boat Us
membership restrictive?   My admiral handles the financial matters and
I do the fixin'.   After 10 weeks I am getting to know our boat a little
bit.   I thought our water tank may have had a leak, however I am
hoping it was several small water line leaks. Still must be a couple
more becouse I can't get a dry bilge. Taking a few days off to do some
doctor visits in Chicago and see some family.

In late October we will begin our voyage from Nashville to Florida.   
Looking forward to a safe and uneventful journey. But now that
wouldn't be an adventure, would it?

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