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Posted: July 18 2009 at 17:58 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Having problems with my charging system. It has the factory installed 40 amp charger but the batteries go from about 12.4 volts with the engines off to 11.96 at 1800 RPM running.

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waterlogged
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 18:05 | IP Logged Quote waterlogged

the voltage DROPS when the engines are running?

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NoGin
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 18:14 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

yeah

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NoGin
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 18:16 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Spent 4 hours troubleshooting to the best of my ability and ended up with no answers other than now I get nothing on my starboard side when I try to turn the key over. I get power on my dash from the accessories, but nothing when I try to crank.

I have 12 volts at each battery still and the port engine did pretty well starting.


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NoGin
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 18:23 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Here she is lookin pretty! Still have the decals to put on and some more painting, but gives you a good sense of where we are heading.




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Don B
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 21:29 | IP Logged Quote Don B

Hi Guys, just read the last few posts.  Can you disconnect the charger from the batteries?  make sure that the batteries are isolated from everything, including each other.

Then do a off/on voltage check.

Don


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NoGin
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 21:47 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Yeah I guess I can disconnect everything from the terminals and test each battery individually. That's a good idea, thanks Don!

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waterlogged
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 18:35 | IP Logged Quote waterlogged

joe--it's looking good!

do you have a "load tester"?

don's exactly right about disconnecting all cables then load test each battery individually.

sounds for sure like cooked batteries and then you can more acuratly check the charging system(alternaters).

take a good hard look at how these are wired while you are in there-

it's hard to diagnose without knowing how it's wired too. mine had the screwiest setup---but, with a little study and some new cable, it isn't hard to make it all right--

ALSO! battery switches are notorious scources of delight!

make sure all GROUNDS are good. loosen-unbolt-and clean all grounds.

 



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NoGin
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 19:19 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Funny... I spent the entire day today doing all the above! I removed every cable for all 4 batteries. Cleaned them with scotchbrite and a battery cleaner/lube spray. I also replaced some of the terminals with bad connections.

Each battery tested at just over 12 volts individually with nothing attached. HOWEVER, I did a hydrometer test and all 4 batteries had numerous dead cells and not 1 fully charged cell.

Do I really need 4 batteries? On average I figured I would use 60 Amp Hours per day trip.


Edited by NoGin on July 20 2009 at 19:20


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waterlogged
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 20:22 | IP Logged Quote waterlogged

did ya load test them?  that'll tell you right away. but it honestly sounds like a bunch of cooked batteries.

 



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NoGin
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 20:34 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

I tested them with an auto ranging  voltmeter I just bought.

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NoGin
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 12:19 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

I am a very happy man! The charging system and cranking problem was thanks to 4 dead batteries and a totally rotted out starter ground cable. We replaced the cable and installed 4 new batteries and she is running like a champ! Now if the T-storms and rain just go away so we can enjoy her more!

Slept on her last night with my older son Joseph (aged 8). This is what it's all about.


Check this out (click for slide show):





Edited by NoGin on July 26 2009 at 12:22


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waterlogged
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 22:26 | IP Logged Quote waterlogged

your welcome.

 

boat looks great! love the dash! wish i had done it the same way. two thumbs up!!!



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NoGin
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Posted: August 04 2009 at 13:31 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Yesterday on a day trip I realized that my charging system is in fact
NOT WORKING!! After all the money in new batteries and wiring I still
have to shell out for this alternator conversion kit. Anyone know of
anyone selling one for cheap??

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NoGin
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Posted: August 10 2009 at 22:51 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Installed a Sierra Alternator kit and connected starboard and port battery switches to feed off it. Works great!

WOT - What are you guys running at WOT?

My starboard engine is running well up to 3300 RPM (approx 15 MPH) then when I push her towards 4000 she quickly raises to 175 degrees. I have 160 degree thermostats so I know I shouldn't be running anywhere over 155 of so. I put a new thermostat in today as well as a new radiator cap, cleaned and flushed the heat exchanger, have a very good flow of sea water coming in and no coolant leaks. Riser is good.

Any ideas?


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Moosin' Around
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Posted: September 03 2009 at 22:37 | IP Logged Quote Moosin' Around

If your not going over 175 don't worry about it. Hell 195 for that matter if it's short term. You've either got a restricted flow in your heat exchanger or your impellor is getting weak. A restriction in the raw water side of the manifolds or risers can drive up the temp in a raw water cooled engine not sure on yours. (Mine, been there done that) That 470 is a bastardized POS (Not trying to insult, just a fact of a cast iron 460 ford head on an aluminum block....) So who knows for sure. FYI Timing... no more than 4 Deg (Spec is 8) if ya want to keep your pistons intact. Avoid full throttle like the plague. Buddy sold a boat with those engines this spring.(He rebuilt them) Baby 'em and your ok, they will not tolerate anything but TLC!!!!! Good Luck, Glen

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NoGin
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Posted: September 03 2009 at 22:45 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Thanks Glen. I actually busted my port drive yesterday. Think it's the
u-
joint. With that I will be limping around the rest of the season on the
starboard engine. I took her out for an hour today to see how she
would handle on just the one engine and she did ok. 7-8 MPH at 3000
-
3300 RPM and held at around 155 - 160 degrees. Think this is how I
will
end the season and worry about the drive in the off season.

??? Ever hear of a thru hull water flo system that bolts to the
harmonic
balancer to take place of the outdrive impeller??? It's supposed to
force
a very good flow of water through the small 3" heat exchangers and
keep the engines cooled off much better.

Edited by NoGin on September 07 2009 at 23:06


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Posted: September 04 2009 at 08:35 | IP Logged Quote waterlogged

joe--that is a typical volvo style water pump. my bravo engines/drives have a belt driven pump.

this better system was one of the deciding factors when changing everything over to bravos

 

 



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NoGin
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Posted: September 04 2009 at 09:07 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Ahhh. Changing to bravos is not an option for me. But someone told me
there was a system to add to the Alphas and other crappy impeller
systems. Can't seem to find info on anything like it online.

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NoGin
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Posted: September 08 2009 at 23:23 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Well it looks like we may be selling the Thompson. It's not the
Thompson, it's all the problems with the 190 MR and Alpha One
sterndrives. I spent way to much time diagnosing and repairing than
cruising and enjoying!

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Posted: September 09 2009 at 08:21 | IP Logged Quote Don B

sorry to hear that Joe.  after a few nucience problems over the years, my boat is actually running the best and most reliable in years.  good luck on selling and keep us informed on your next choice.

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NO-OHMS
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 08:39 | IP Logged Quote NO-OHMS

Joe I have been there, never again will I own an IO drive I like Mercruiser but I had lots of problems with my MR alpha drive, I sold my boat and went with inboards much better,  I think outboards are great and inboard are great but the two combined can be a problem especially for boats kept in the water all season.  Good luck on the sale of your boat and I hope this isn't the end of your boating or Thompson experience.

Edited by NO-OHMS on September 09 2009 at 08:41


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Posted: September 09 2009 at 11:18 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

I have heard that from many people about IOs. How about the newer
ones? A buddy has an '03 Rinker with single Merc 350 and Bravo 3
sterndrive for sale. Would that be better with newer technology or am I
asking for more trouble?

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Joe, I have not had any first hand experience with the bravo drive but I do know from other owners they are far better than the alpha drives, more robust and better suited for salt water.  A lot of people have them and are happy, so you might be OK with a newer one.  There are pros and cons to everything but I still like my inboards.

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Posted: September 13 2009 at 01:57 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Well guys it looks like I am moving on to a 2003 Rinker270 Fiesta Vee.
Still IO but single 350 Merc with Bravo 3 drives with dual props. Super
gorgeous boat at a super deal. I am picking up a used drive with a new
water pump for my Thompson tomorrow. I hope to have it installed
early next week so I can get her up and running well. Need to make
sure she is running really good before selling her.... anyone interested?

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Posted: March 29 2010 at 07:51 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

I bought my buddies Rinker 270 at the end of last season. We got a few
trips and loved it! It was our first season and the constant
upgrades/replaces needed on the Thompson were getting us down and
the wife a bit anoyed! When we pulled the Thompson out we noticed a
huge amount of growth on the bottom and drives. Definately the cause
for a lot of our problems.

I am on the fence on selling her. She is a dynamite boat and would be
great for a fellow Thompson owner that can work the little kinks out
themselves without paying a mechanic like I needed to do all last
season.

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Posted: March 01 2011 at 08:55 | IP Logged Quote NoGin

Hey Guys, I'm back!!! How is everyone doing? How are the projects coming along? 

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