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Hi Guys. I am a new boater and just came back from looking at a 1987 Thompson 29 footer. The boat is an original owner boat with all records in great shape. Is there anything in particular I should look for when inspecting the Thompson? It has the original IOs with 790 hours on them. They started right up and sounded great. What should a boat like this sell for?
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Any advice/guidance would be very helpful and much appreciated!
Thanks.
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NoGin "Deckhand"

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Can't anyone give me some advice on this? 15 views and no posts. Please....
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hey there!
be patient--this particular forum is kinda quite. not many of us thompson guys around.
i viewed your post yesterday but didn't have time to reply.
first off: welcome aboard, glad to have ya!
second: is it a daytona? or what model?
what engines and drives. alphas i'm sure....
NADA dotcom has a marine/boat guide online that you can look up values of these boats. with that being said, you may be better off just looking at what they are selling for. try boattrader, here at boatus, and where ever else you may be able to find one. thompsons are kinda far and few between. what part of the country are you in? kinda makes a differance too.
i think the year you are looking at were good--later on in the 90's just before they became defunct they had some hull cracking problems ( a couple) (certain models)(but still bad news!)
thompson cut corners (like almost all boat companies) to keep costs down. most of these cost cutting measures are easily replaced or cured. for instance, i have replaced all the cheap plastic thru-hull fittings with stainless...you can check some of my posts --lots of pics of some of the projects we've been doing.
i love ours--the price was right, and i love the way it comes up out of the water and planes so easily-most heavy cruiser style boats we've tried seem to really "dog" .
it has a nice wide beam and a great floor layout below (roomy)
nice thick solid fiberglass hull. I've had water intrussion problems up on the fore deck but that is a fairly common problem with many boats. not exclusive to thompson.
soooo what are they asking for it? will he take you out in it? the one thing that is really hard to cure is water intrussion into the transom...make sure that is sound and dry. stringers also. gotta tell ya it's worth paying a surveyor a few hundred to make sure of a few things like that for you (especially being new to boating)
anyway--there's a few things to chew on--
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NoGin "Deckhand"

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Thanks for the reply. It's a 1987 Daytona 29'. He was asking $8K but I know I can get him down some. It has the twin Mercs with I believe the Alpha drives that he says needs new cables every 2-3 years. He does have a little rot of the stringer on the port side toward the bow in the engine bay. Nothing a little Wests system and re-glassing can't cure. I am curious about the area of the transom for the water intrusion. Where exactly should I look? Inside the engine bay on the floor where the stringers are? I will attach some pics I took in a bit.
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sometime very hard to tell if you have a problem--they make a moisture meter tool thay is very helpful--most surveyors have one.
the old method was to drill some holes......(probably why it's the "old" method)
8k doesn't sound too bad of a price.
my deck water problem was cured with rot doctor.
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also--caroline, the moderator of the regular part of this boatus forum can show you where to go to read about the problems they had.
i had a link---give me a bit--i'll see if i can find it again...
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NoGin "Deckhand"

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I really like the roominess of the boat. It's very attractive and comfortable. I actually have a 1971 31' Chris Craft that doesn't feel as roomy as this Thompson.
I am unfamiliar with the Thompsons so any advice you can give me on the way the boat handles/performs and also any negatives would be great.
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here's that link:
the following is the place to read negatives! some of them are really stupid ie: problems on 5+ year old boats....not even original owners...
but if these scare ya--go look at Searay!
http://my.boatus.com/consumer/database.aspx
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NoGin "Deckhand"

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Ok thanks! People always love to post their negative opinions don't they!

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just curious......you said you were a new boater but you already own a 31 chris.....?
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NoGin "Deckhand"

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A prelim slideshow...

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NoGin "Deckhand"

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Long story short... I bought a 1971 31' Chris as a project boat about a month ago but decided that it's going to cost me double what I had originally budgeted to restore her to be sea worthy this summer. I guess technically I am not a new boat owner, but yes, I am a new boater.
I made an offer to the owner of this Thompson and he said he needs a few days to think about it. If he takes it I will have a surveyor look her over and if all is good, I will be the proud new owner of an '87 Daytona!
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definitely take a surveyor--that's all i'm gonna say brutha.
dont want to rain on your parade but i saw at least a few red flags in the slide show.
what are you going to do with the chris?
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Selling her. What do you see that are major red flags?
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well.....they ARE just pics and my eyes are getting real crappy but here it goes...
the drives caught my eye first. they look pretty rough.(look like alphas) i'm also thinking it may be under powered. ya don't see those straight sixes too often. i saw lots of water stains leaking to the interior...that water always goes where it shouldn't be.
saw water stains down in the bilge area(needs investigation) lots of loose wiring...was that a hole in the side of the hull???
oh, and anytime you have things screwed into the transom (like the swim platform) that's how water gets into the transom.
it just doesn't look like the owner has been giving it the TLC that boats constantly require. hell--even if i dont have time to work on mine i'll go down and sit around and have a couple beers with her!
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Good info, thanks!
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is it being used in salt or fresh water?....looks like fresh water by the pics.
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NoGin "Deckhand"

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Salt water
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you think he'll seatrial it for you? are you in a warm weather place?
as long as the hull is sound, the rest of it can be tidy'd up.
doing a transom is major surgery though.
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I'm in NY and he already said no to a sea trial as he is "too busy." He is retiring and planning a move out of state. He did start her up on land with the water and she sounds great!
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consider that another HUGE red flag. be affraid! run/don't walk.
ever gone on the boatered dotcom forum.
dont take it from me--go ask around some more.
i would never buy a boat w/o a seatrial. ever. no way. i'd never try to sell one w/o offering a seatrial.
i fall in love with other boats pretty easy so i know what you're going through!
keep looking. this is a buyers market right now....you can do better.
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Point taken. I was a bit surprised as well considering he has been preaching how well cared for his boat has been and how he is the original owner. He even showed me the original bill of sale today. I wonder if I told him sale was conditional to sea trial if he would re-consider?
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ask around on this forum:
http://my.boatus.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=106
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that's how lots of others do it---surveyor first--if he gives it an ok bill of health then onto a seatrial.
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That makes sense especially since I am looking for a boat I can go straight to the water with!
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exactly!
hey, how come you get "too busy" once you retire?
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do yourself a favor: take a weekend and go look at a BUNCH of boats. you'll get some great "schoolin'".
hit a boat show or two -there's a few spring time shows going around right now.
check out David Pascoe's site--good place to learn what to look for when shopping. he is a surveyor with a website. lots of pics and tutorials. some people argue that some of his info is incorrect or old but it's still a good starting point.
i'll see if i can find you a link
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here ya go
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/
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NoGin "Deckhand"

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Quote: waterlogged
Thanks for all the great info Chuck! I have been to his site but will certainly revisit. I have also checked out a ton of boats over the past 6 months and will continue to do so.
What is your overall opinion with this boat?
Edited by NoGin on March 29 2009 at 08:10
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I went back today and spent a couple hours with the owner and the boat. He said he has no objections to a sea trial however it's on my time and pocket and with the boat in his yard I am looking at like $400 for the trip and another $250 for the captain and surveyor. Honestly I don't think it's necessary. I have a ton of documentation with the boat including the original order invoice and brochure. He is the only owner and only mechanic to touch the boat and taking an even closer look I realized how good the overall condition really is.
The "hole" in the starboard side of the engine bay as seen in one of the pics was for a drain hose he had out. He has since replaced the hose and installed it. Also the wires were a bit messy in the engine bay as he was getting it ready for the Spring launch so he loosened up the wires to check them all out.
I think this boat is pretty damn darn solid with a great history. It also has radar and GPS. Radar being the big expense which it will save me.
Edited by NoGin on March 29 2009 at 16:21
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well hey, there's nothing a little money and time can't cure! if you like the boat(there IS something about these thompsons!?) and if you're getting a good deal, and the hull is sound, then grab it!
in my opinion, thompson did a crappy job of wiring from the start(sloppy)--i've re-done lots on ours. my boats original owner was in Ct. somewhere. i bought it from the second owner. who moved it down here to Fla. he only had it for a few months.
SO, what did you offer?? did he accept??
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did you check this out?
http://www.boatus.com/boatgroups/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1 428&PN=1
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NoGin "Deckhand"

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Hey Chuck. Yes I was reading on your build up. You do some great work! I especially liked the new dash and how you incorporated the new rocker switches. Looks impressive!!
Although I don't kiss and tell... I made him an offer that he accepted. I will tell you it wasn't the 8K he was looking for but it wasn't $4K either.

I feel a great deal for a one owner documented boat!
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... also someone commented about the boats power plant having insufficient power to get the boat up. The boat has the 470 Twin FWC Mercs rated at 190 HP each with 4 Barrel flo jet carbs!
I think that should do it!!!
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.. especially considering it weighs roughly 1600 lbs. less than the V8.
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what does that boat weigh?
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Roughly 8500 lbs with the twins.
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ya i just found that...also found this thread on the 470's
http://www.marine-engines.net/topics/001156.html?motors
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Everyone's got opinions and everyone has a good or bad story to tell. I think everything has a positive and a negative... right?
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