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I get regular notifications, sometimes my e-mail will leave out the last
paragraph.

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However today things are acting weird. Whichever notification I open ,
it send me to this thread.

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Posted: January 13 2014 at 08:10 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

So, back here again.

Pete, I have the same issue behind the washer dryer. I got in there far
enough to remove the 4" duct and clean it out and pick-up a lot do lint
with some extension grip device my dad gave me.

Problem is the washing machine thru hull is quite deteriated. This is
nothing that would sink the boat but the only way to access this would
be to remove the washer and dryer. With the rust and age of these
machines, I am afraid that if I moved them they would never work
again. Hence, new machines. Can't do that right now.

The wiring is not the best, but it does seem to be factory installed.
Hence another problem. They probably installed them before to top
went on and sent a tiny guy in there to do the job.

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Posted: January 13 2014 at 08:27 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

I am trying to respond to different posts which I thought were different
threads. Apparently, they roll on.

One would think after 100 posts I would have figured this out by now.
I imagine the constant travel on Miss Donna has made almost every
post a critical question, at some point , an emergency.

I thank all who have contributed advice and stories which have helped
Donna and I achieve our goal of living the dream.

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Posted: January 13 2014 at 09:33 | IP Logged Quote Grey Goose

The deteriorated plastic through hulls are a problem.
Last winter I gutted the VIP head. Every time I put
pressure on one of the hoses, a plastic through hull
would crack. The same thing has happened with the
heat pump through hulls. I have now replaced
some with stainless steel through hulls, and plan on
replacing every one. There are a lot of those little
suckers. Haven't got the one
behind the washing machine yet.

Edited by Grey Goose on January 13 2014 at 09:37


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To all,

Found some of the missing Boat US posts, so will add my 2 cents worth. There was prior discussion in earlier posts on the washer/dryer and carpet subjects and further details may be on the Connie CD.

Washer/dryer: removing the washer/dryer does seem to be the only way to get to the thru hulls. It is a tight fit to do other work. I removed the aft panel in the hanging locker and hung up a work light. I placed a board from the bed to the locker and layed on it and squeezed through side ways just past my arms. I then could reach in just enough to replace the hot and cold hoses, the deteriated dryer exhuast tubing and vacuum it out.  Did get a few scrape and bruise marks.

Wall to wall carpeting: had our carpet relaced and eliminated all access and hatch cut outs except the engine room hatch in front of the galley stairs. Looks much better. Also eliminates dirt accumulation and that worn look around hatch cut outs. Have it set up so I can get to the shower sumps, shaft mounts,etc. Just pull the carpet off the srtip tacks and roll back a few inches. If major work or more access is needed to get to the engines, the carpet is set so it can be rolled back over the large lower salon removeable floor boards or can be totally taken out. I did this when turbo, exhaust and hose maintenance was due. Works well for us.

 

 

 



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Posted: January 13 2014 at 14:31 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

Regarding thru hulls behind washer and dryer. Here's a crazy option.
Cut an access hole in the back of the galley cabinet. Being sure you
know where you are cutting. (Not thru any hoses or wires ). Not on
the boat now, I am bonding with my granddaughter in Chicago. This
would be a lot of work for me, as I have added 3pull-out drawers in
that cabinet. The door does seem large enough for a medium size
human.

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Posted: January 13 2014 at 18:24 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Allen,

Subject: Stainless Steel Thru Hulls

Stainless steel should never be used for thru-hulls that are below the waterline because it is prone to crevasse corrosion. If the thru-hull is above the waterline the situation isn't so bad but stainless is still a poor choice. Bronze is the preferred material.

This is the same reason that stainless steel is only used for cylindrical fuel tanks of less than 20 gallons.

Pete37

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Hi Pat,

I took my washer partially apart a couple years ago and it seemed in pretty good condition. Not much rust. I'd be more worried about the drive belt and motor. But those can be replaced without removing the washer. If you remove the front of the washer you can get at just about everything.

I also found that there were complete drawings and parts lists on the web even though the washer is at least 18 years old.

Pete37

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Nice too know parts are available. Fortunately, ours is working fine.
This is great when your live aboard. A load or two a day. Of course, I
tend to wear my clothes a little longer now as apposed to changing for
everything. I am going to explore going through the cabinet when I
return.

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Pat,

Are you talking about the cabinet on the starboard side of the factory installed oven for the access cut to the washer/dryer? If so, I have a dishwasher there, but it might work for those who have a cabinet there.



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To the newer posters

I don't know if you are aware. There is a Facebook page dedicated to
the Murray Chris Craft Constellation. This page contains photo albums
for many of the contributors of this forum's boats. Discussion of
projects and photo of these projects. I anyone would like to join in,
feel free to private message me through this page and I will give you
instructions of how to join the Facebook page. Send me photos of your
boat so that a photo album can be started specially for your boat.

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Hi All,

Subject: Features of this Forum

The Connie Forum is unusual among all boat forums in that it concentrates on one brand and model of boat; the Murray Chris Craft Constellation.

Its main purpose is to provide Connie owners help in maintaining their Connies. Connies are now rather elderly yachts. Not antiques yet but definitely elderly. And they are rather large boats with hundreds of systems and parts all of which are now over 25 years old. And at that age a lot of them are breaking and need repair.

There are many boating forums that discuss boat repair in general but very few that concentrate on one type of boat. If you have a Connie (most of you reading this do) and something on it has broken down you often need advice on how to fix it. Information on an old woody or another brand of boat doesnít help you much because it usually isnít specific to your problem.

But the Connie Forum is specific to Connies and you have about 150 Connie owners who share your type of problems. The forum has been in existence for eight years and in that time thousands of problems have been discussed. And fortunately all of these problems and their solutions have been recorded in the forum archives. So when you ask about how to fix your problem we can probably look up the answer in the archives.

Unfortunately, the archives are not cataloged by subject so finding the solution to a specific topic can be difficult. To overcome this, a copy of the archives is a maintained on my computer and I can use a search engine to find a specific topic.

In addition to the forum archives, there is also a resource I call the Connie Library. It is basically about 2.5 gigabytes of information on every part of a Connie that you can imagine. Most of this has been collected on the web from the manufacturerís catalogs. You could, of course, get much of this directly from the web; if you knew where to find it. And there are also another 2.5 gigabytes of uncatalogued data on my personal computer related to Connies. This is not suitable for distribution but I use it for reference.

So when someone asks a question on the forum about a problem we have more than 5 gigabytes of files to use as sources for the answer. Plus, of course, we have about 150 Connie owners who may have an answer. And because the forum is restricted to Connies you wonít have hundreds of unrelated answers to wade through.

In the past I have distributed DVD copies of the Connie Library. Some of you may have them. But sending out 150 DVDs per year is impractical and I am not set up to do that. So now Iím working on a way to post the Connie Library on a web site that all of you can directly access.

I think the Connie Forum has done a pretty good job in answering your Connie related questions. There are very few questions we donít have an answer to.

Pete37, 1/14/2014


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Good morning all,

Plenty of time to post while I watch little Caitlin sleep. Apparently
about 20 hours a day.
Pete, the forum material makes excellent reading. I have almost read
from front to back. As you said, finding the exact subject you are
looking for is difficult. I'm sure I speak for everyone that we
appreciate all the work you put into this site and look forward tom
anymore years of site activity.

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Hi All,

Saw a post that someone was having trouble with his main power switches but it seems to have disappeared.

Pete37

PS to Pat: You must be a fast reader. There are over 5600 posts to date.

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Well Pete, I do have to use the bathroom frequently at my age.

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Actually, I still have main switch issues. I will follow Emory's advice
and check all connections for tightness as soon as I return.

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Pat - don't know if you have one, but if you do not have an
IR gun, buy one! They're so cheap now. If you can find a
Harbor Freight (or similar) store, I've seen them as cheap
as $20.00 on sale.

I routinely check electrical panels, during a survey, with
one. If I see an anomaly in temps I note that there may
be an issue and the panel should be opened for full
inspection.

Keep in mind a nominal temp variance should be expected.
But a spike might raise flags. You can even use your hand
to "feel" for warm spots if you don't have a gun.

Of course, a cobblers children have no shoes.   When my
panel went up in smoke, I had not performed any of these
tests in quite a while! :)   My bad!

Bottom line: we surveyors find a LOT of these types of
issues in older boats (and some NOT so old boats). They
simply vibrate over the years and cause loose connections.

Also, if there has been an inverter installed at some point, I
would suggest going back in a period of time and double-
checking those terminals anyway. It's like going back and
torquing head/manifold bolts after an initial rebuild.

Good luck!

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One of the first tools I bought for the boat Emory. Wish I had you to
survey my boat. Oops, gotta go change a diaper.

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Emory, careful how you throw around "spike". I've got
feelings

Awhile back there was talk about the benefits of running on
1 engine to save some bucks on fuel. I just went over my
notes on our 1000 mile trip home and confirmed about 2
mpg once fuel was subtracted for generator time. 544
miles of the trip was down river with 451 up river. I ran at
1400-1500 rpms at about 8.5 mph, faster for a time below
dams and slower approaching them going upstream. Most
days on the upstream leg we ran on both engines just to
keep on schedule.

The average downstream day would start on both to get up
to temp and maneuver out of the marina then shut down
one until needed to maneuver at a dam or dock at the end
of the day. We would switch engines the next day. The
Raymarine autopilot held the course with no problem and
about 15 degree deflection of the rudders. I can imagine
this would have been a bear to hand steer the whole way.
Every hour or two I would go shoot temps of the running
engine as well as transmission and shaft seals on both.
There was very little difference between the running side
and the other.

If we had no schedule and had run on 1 the whole trip I
guess we would have been over 2.5 mpg in the end.

This is just a FWIW on how I ran and my results. I look
forward to spending more time traveling and running
numbers in the future.

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Glad to hear this worked well for you.

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Posted: January 15 2014 at 22:38 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Kevin,

Subject: Fuel Mileage

It's nice to hear you tried the single engine mode and got good mileage. The theory says there should be a substantial improvement in mileage gained by running on one engine. Pat tried it too but it was hard to tell from his reports whether it worked or not.

Of course it's a nuissance to operate in that mode but it's a trade-off between convenience and cost. On a long trip cost seems to win out. Running on two engines your mileage would probably have been less than 1 nmpg.

Pete37



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Hi Dave,   I am speaking of that very same cabinet.   Miss Donna now
says she would be ok with taking out the washer and dryer in favor of a
pantry and install a dishwasher.   We will be in a full time live aboard
marina soon so maybe it would be best for us. However you always
have to consider resale.

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Posted: January 16 2014 at 10:44 | IP Logged Quote Grey Goose

Just another great example how we all use our boats differently. On
"Goose" I took out the dishwasher and replaced it with a wine cooler.
The washer/dryer is something we use all the time. As a weekend
worrier, we throw the sheets and towels in the washer and clean them
on our cruise back home. My thought on resale, these beast as well as
most other boats are dropped big time in value in the last several
years. "I" would rather equip the boat the way that I want (and use it
for many many years that way).


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Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:11 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

Goose, I think we can all agree on the falling prices. I am also of the
thought of equip it how you like it. Whichever things we do from here
on will be thought out carefully after we have used it as per our plan
for awhile.
Hope you season starts early.

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Hi All,

Subject: Rehab of the Washer/Dryer

I went down to the boat last night and removed the access panel in the hanging locker forward of washer dryer. Then I took my camera, reached into the locker and pointed it forward towards the area behind the washer/dryer. I got several pictures of the area but unfortunately I canít seem to download them to my computer. So I canít post them here; yet.

There have been several people who have repaired or replaced their washer/dryers. Replacing it cost $1100 back in 2006. Repairing it cost about $150 in parts. By now (due to inflation) replacing it would cost about $1600 and repairing it about $210. The parts replaced during repair were the drive belt and drive belt tensioner (a spring). Since Iím going to have to remove the old unit and replace it with the repaired or replaced unit anyway Iím leaning towards repairing the old unit.

Of all the people who repaired/replaced their units all found someone who was small enough to get through the access hatch; in most cases wives. Most say you canít pull it out from the front; it has to be pushed out from the back. However, once removed from its present location itís pretty easy to repair.

Of course, while the washer/dryer is removed all the wiring and plumbing behind it will be rehabbed too. I doubt that I or any of us will have our Connies 17 years from now so this is a once in a lifetime process.

I looked up my drawings of the washer/dryer and found it is basically all one piece. So Iíll remove the whole mess and rehab the dryer as well. At the moment, the dryer is working but I might as well repair any parts that are aging anyway while the dryer is out and accessible.

My conclusion after messing with this thing for about three hours is that itís definitely not something worth doing in the winter. Iím going to table it until the spring.

I did a cost/benefit analysis and concluded that this is something that should definitely be repaired rather than replaced. Washer/dryers are simple basically mechanical systems. If I fix it, it will probably last another 17 years and in 2034 Iíll let the next owner worry about repairing it again.

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Hi All,

Subject: My Connie is Not Sleeping Facility Challenged!

My Connie has king size bed in the master stateroom, a 60Ē wide bed in the guest stateroom and two bunks in the forward stateroom. In case thatís not enough thereís a queen sized convertible sofa in the upper salon and a second one in the lower salon. Thatís permanently installed sleeping facilities for 10.

Arlene and I have never had 10 sleepover guests in the 18 years weíve owned our Connie. Weíve had parties with 12 guests but never 10 sleepover guests. And itís unlikely we ever will. Our Connie is not sleeping facility challenged; it has more berths than we will ever use.

But it is storage space challenged. In 18 years you collect an awful lot of ďstuffĒ that must be stored aboard and we have reached the point that we just donít have enough cabinets and lockers to store it all. So some of it winds up on the floor or on the top of tables; making for a very messy looking boat. More storage space has to be made.

My first attempt was to buy a bunch Office Depot storage boxes into which I placed the ďstuffĒ. The boxes were then placed on top of the bed in the guest stateroom. We donít use it much so that seemed like a good solution. When we needed the guest stateroom we could just put the boxes elsewhere. But the Admiral vetoed that. The comment was ďThat looks terrible!Ē So I moved them to the forward stateroom. That was acceptable.

So the forward stateroom has become the junk storage room. Every boat has such a room and on a Connie the forward stateroom just seems like a natural.

Yesterday, I made quite a mess in the forward stateroom while working on the washer/dryer So this morning I went to the boat and took along a bunch of extra boxes to store the mess. I wound up with six boxes of junk which I lined up on the lower bunk of the forward stateroom. Somehow, if itís in a neat row of boxes, order has been restored, even if the contents of the boxes are a total jumble.

Looking at the neat row of boxes it occurred to me that their tops were just about at workbench height. If I just built a workbench top at that location I would have a workbench and considerable storage space underneath it as well.

I will lose the use of the lower berth but we rarely use it anyway. Fortunately, there is plenty of working height above the planned location of the workbench top for most projects.

So my next project has been defined; build a workbench in the forward stateroom. At the moment, all my tools and spare parts are scattered about the boat in various storage cabinets. But once the workbench is completed they will all be moved to boxes under the workbench so that they will be conveniently close to the workbench.

Iíll probably install a fluorescent light over the workbench for good lighting and Iíll build the workbench so that it can easily be removed in the remote case that we ever need the extra berth.

The inspiration is complete; now comes the perspiration.

Pete37, 1/17/2014


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So Pete is your boat a 500 or 501? Sounds like you have a different
stateroom set-up.
Since we have turned the guest stateroom into an office, the forward
stateroom is our only guest room. The forward shower is very small so
most guests we have like to use the visitors head outside Donna's
office for showers.   I've considering turning the forward shower into a
closet for tools and such but I am concerned about too much weight in
the bow.
Once again I won't rush into any remodeling too soon. Just
daydreaming.

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Posted: January 18 2014 at 09:47 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Pat and Donna,

Our Connie is a 500. The office/den was converted to a guest stateroom. The modification was done by Chris Craft at rhe request of the original owner when the boat was built.

This gives us First Class sleeping accomodations for four. We also have the two bunks in the forward stateroom which Arlene calls the Second Claas. The two convertible sofas in the upper and lower salon (Third Class accomodations) sleep four. So we have berths for ten but we've never needed all of them.

For an office, I set up my laptop and printer on the dinette table. I have a small (300 watt) Samsung pure sine wave inverter which will allow me to run them on battery when we are away from dock and don't want to run the genny.

I've also removed that ancient AC powered stereo system which came with the boat and replaced it with a modern DC powered Kenwood KDC-352 CD-Receiver with USB interface. At present it's hooked up to the two speakers in the lower salon. I replaced the old speakers with Sony XS-GT16272A speakers. Eventually it will be hooked up to all of the eight speakers in the original sound system. And I guess that eventually I'll have to replace all of those speakers too. They still work but the fidelity isn't what it should be.

Stereo systems on a Connie should always be DC powered. Who wants to try to listen to quality music over the drone of the genny? The stereo system isn't quite finished yet but it's way past the daydream stage.. I have all the major components and it's running in a temporary mode.

One problem I'm having is that there isn't any DC power on the walls of the lower salon. I could run it off the Samlex inverter but I'm not sure the inverter would have enough power to run a 50 watt stereo system and the computer at the same time. Looks like I'm going to have to do some power wiring. However, when I get the whole- boat inverter system going that problem will disappear.

Pete37



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Posted: January 18 2014 at 12:49 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

I think I prefer my guests to be 40' away. I won't explain.
They're on a yacht, it's luxury 1st class.
I'm still packin' all that original stereo hardware that doesn't work well.
I have already converted the speaker closest to the stairways to ah vac
vent coming off the helm a/c unit. I can divert it either way. One of my
better ideas I think.
A bad ass DC stereo makes a lot of sense. I prefer a separate system
for each level, so that will get pricey.
Hanging out at Houston Hobbie airport for our next flight to Pensacola
to retrieve vehicles.

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Posted: January 19 2014 at 00:30 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Pat and Donna,

Subject: Sleeping Accommodations on a Connie

Sounds like youíve had some problems with obnoxious guests aboard your Connie and donít want to be forced to be too close to them for prolonged periods.

Fortunately a Connie has two salons and a flybridge and thatís where you and your guests will be spending most of your time regardless of whether the guests sleep in the guest stateroom or the forward stateroom. And the time while youíre sleeping is the time when you are least likely to become annoyed with each other.

Iíd suggest that you equip your Connie with a TV and stereo system in each salon so that you can break up into pairs during your leisure time. Usually, the pairs wind up being two wives watching womenís stuff and two husbands watching husbandís stuff.

The TVs and stereos should be of relatively equal quality so that no one feels they are being left out. The TVs should have access to broadcast stations and a good collection of DVDs. That Follow-Me-TV setup would be ideal.

The flybridge isnít very good for TV watching but it would be nice if there was stereo up there too. And your stereos should have a good selection of recorded music. If there are kids aboard youíll also need a bunch of childrenís entertainment.

Six hours of the day youíll be occupied with meals and eight hours youíll be sleeping so you only have to keep your guests entertained for about 10 hours a day. On some days youíll be cruising so the time theyíll need to be entertained is even less. And you can also occupy some time with swimming and land tours.

If you keep your guests occupied theyíll be easy to get along with. Frankly, you and Donna are such a nice couple that I doubt you would ever have trouble keeping a couple guests happy.

Pete37


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Posted: January 19 2014 at 06:38 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

Pete you may not understand why I prefer quest sleep 40' away.
Most of my friends still enjoy an active sex life, including my own
married children. I don't care to be next door to that. Get it?

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Posted: January 19 2014 at 11:31 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Pat,

Yes, that occurred to me too. But there is some isolation between the master and guest staterooms (the master head and shower and guest closet). And of course you can remove the workbench, stow it in the guest stateroom and still have the forward stateroom at your disposal.

Or you can make the guest stateroom your junk storeroom and workshop. That was my first choice but the Admiral vetoed it.. Either way with the junk we've accumiulated we have to convert some of the excess sleeping facilities into storage space.

But then if you have three couples aboard you're back to the same problem.

The big megayachts have service boats that carry all their "stuff". Perhaps we could buy a cheap old 30' woody for that job. But then we'd have to store it someplace.

And of course there's the obvious solution; carry less junk. But that doesn't seem to work out either. Perhaps we need bigger boats or a floating junk trailer we can tow behind us.

Pete37

PS: One additional solution comes to mind. Take out those rediculous drop down bunks in the office/den and build a storage wall on the forward bulkhead. That would still leave the office part intact.

Edited by Pete37 on January 19 2014 at 11:35


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Posted: January 19 2014 at 12:25 | IP Logged Quote David Ross

Hi Pat,

I got why you prefer to have guests 40' away on your first post. Glad I may not be as old as I look.

We find the couch with the wall pull out bunk set up in our boat works great. It can be used as an office, den, bedroom, nursery, etc. In fact it has been used for each, including a closet and storage area as needed. Pat, the pull down bunk is a perfect diaper changing area. Another example how we all use our boats in differant ways.



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Posted: January 19 2014 at 12:48 | IP Logged Quote eshover

Couldn't agree more Dave. We all use our boats in
different way. When my grandkids and stepson were
young(er) The bunks in the office/den were real handy.
Two boys, two girls. Worked out great for us. We have a
mother/daughter couple who join us regularly. They prefer
the office over the forward cabin (I suspect they like the
larger shower). My stepson is a USNA grad and while in
school he would often have some shipmates over and
having "separate but equal" sleeping quarters were a
blessing! HA!

Yes. We ALL use our boats in different ways.

As my grandma always used to say; "Everybody has a way
and everybody's way does."    Love those old country
sayings!

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Posted: January 19 2014 at 14:19 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

Love those country sayins'. We have taken out the couch to install a
full size desk. Donna has twin monitors, printers the shebang. We do
keep the fold down bunk for when my son is also in when my daughter
is, just lay down th monitors. He's as quite as a whore at Sunday
service.

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Posted: January 19 2014 at 15:21 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi All,

Subject: Office, Den, Stateroom, Storage Area, Closet, Nursery, AKA Office/Den.

The Office/Den (or whatever you want to call it) is one of those multipurpose items that perform many functions but none of them very well. I looked up the definition of den in the dictionary. Most of the definitions didnít fit. For example:

1. The lair or hiding place of a wild animal
2. A cage for a wild animal
3. A cave or place to hide
4. A retreat or headquarters, as of thieves or vagrants
5. A small squalid room
6. A small cozy room where one can be alone to read, work, etc.

These are great examples of how we all use our boats in different ways. I think the definition Chris Craft had in mind was #6.

On a Connie the Office/Den has the following characteristics:

As an office itís rather damp and cramped. The storage space for a serious office is rather limited.

As a den it is small but is a good place to retreat and hide.

As a stateroom itís adequate in a pinch but leaves an awful lot to be desired. It becomes a stateroom only when all other quarters are occupied.

As a storage room it works very well and is in close competition to the forward stateroom for the title of junk room. But it doesnít have much to make the storage of your junk orderly.

As a closet the same comments as for a storage room apply.

As a nursery, itís rather dark and forbidding. My grandson was afraid of it. But some kids may like it.

Since the forward stateroom has been reserved for connubial relations, the office/den wins the title of junk room by default. There is no other place to put your junk. And in reality I think thatís what most people use it for.

The junk Iím speaking of is of course all of the stuff thatís left over after all the cabinets and drawers in the boat have been filled. Most of that winds up on the berths and floor of the forward stateroom and office/den.

Many of you probably wonder why I have so much ďstuffĒ to store. One reason is that I do nearly all of my own repairs. Iíve owned my Connie for over 18 years and have done an awful lot of repairs. And many of these repairs require special tools which I keep after the repair is done so Iíll be ready for the next time that repair needs to be done.

Most Connie owners have their boats for less than 6 years (purchase to sale) and donít develop a set of tools and parts to take care of all emergencies. Doing your own repairs saves a lot of money but it has the unfortunate side effect that you wind up with an awful lot of tools and spare parts.

Pete37, 1/19/2014


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Posted: January 19 2014 at 15:27 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Pat,

I think you ment quiet not "quite".

BTW how do you get a full size desk into the office? You must have to disassemble it.

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Posted: January 19 2014 at 16:35 | IP Logged Quote Grey Goose

Purely out of curiosity, what are some of these specialty tools that only
a Connie owner would acquire?

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Posted: January 19 2014 at 17:20 | IP Logged Quote Pats2nd Connie

Good catch Pete, although I think you meant, meant, not ment. I do
all my own work but I keep my tools in a van, where as someone who
is not a livaboard would have a home to store tools and parts that were
not meant for emergency use. What I'm trying to say Pete, without
trying to infringe how how you use your boat is, you've got too much
crap on board. You should try and thin down a bit. You and the Mrs.
May enjoy the boat more. Stuff adds up over time. When I was a
seasonal boater I would empty the boat completely every fall and then
in the spring would see what I really needed.   This avoided a lot of
clutter and mold buildup.
Of cours this reverts back to Emory's country saying.
Goose, the only tools I know to be specific would be DD specialty tools.
One I wish I had was a thermostat installation tool.
Made it back to clearwater beach today! the boat survived fine without
me.

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