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Posted: July 01 2011 at 23:18 | IP Logged Quote Bennett

Pete,

I'm sorry, I did not see a post where Allen called you a fool.

Bennett

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Posted: July 01 2011 at 23:22 | IP Logged Quote Grey Goose

Since it has been claimed that I have no knowledge of engines, I feel
I need to give a little background on myself.  From the ages of 13 to
17, I worked at a marina doing nearly everything, including being the
mechanic's assistant. I enjoyed it so much that I studied at Florida
Tech and have an engineering and business degree specializing in
marina management and marine propulsion systems.  I also have a
degree from the Ralph Evinrude school of outboard engines (this
includes also inboard gas and diesel).  I do not call myself an
engineer because I have no professional experience. I have worked
myself into a 50' Connie at the age of 40 by purchasing boats in dire
need and restoring them to pristine condition and then moving up to
the next boat.  So knowledge and experience with engines/boat
maintenance is something that I feel I do have. 

Pete my post about the new elbows was simply noting that it could
have been the new elbow and not the turbo that lowered your
operating temperature. There was never a need to put an attack on
me.
Allen
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Posted: July 01 2011 at 23:22 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Bennett,

Try reading "Grey Goose", June 30,2011 at 12:24.

Pete37



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Posted: July 02 2011 at 07:38 | IP Logged Quote Fantasy

A good reminder for all of us.

John 

from “All I Really Need to Know I Learned In Kindergarten” by Robert Fulghum

Most of what I really need to know about how to live, and what to do, and how to be, I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand box at nursery school.

These are the things I learned. Share everything. Play fair. Don’t hit people. Put things back where you found them. Clean up your own mess. Don’t take things that aren’t yours. Say you are sorry when you hurt somebody. Wash your hands before you eat. Flush. Warm cookies and cold milk are food for you. Live a balanced life. Learn some and think some and draw some and paint and sing and dance and play and work everyday.

Take a nap every afternoon. When you go out in the world, watch for traffic, hold hands, and stick together. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the plastic cup? The roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why. We are like that.

And then remember that book about Dick and Jane and the first word you learned, the biggest word of all: LOOK! Everything you need to know is there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation, ecology, and politics and the sane living.

Think of what a better world it would be if we all, the whole world, had cookies and milk about 3 o’clock every afternoon and then lay down with our blankets for a nap. Or we had a basic policy in our nation and other nations to always put thing back where we found them and clean up our own messes. And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together.



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Posted: July 02 2011 at 09:23 | IP Logged Quote eshover

This is to users from Northern Virginia, Wash DC, Maryland
areas.

If anyone know of, or has done business with, or knows
anyone who has done business with the following
individual, please respond directly to me at:

eshover47@gmail.com

Fiberglass & Gel Coat Restoration - Joe Leva

You'll see his business cards posted at West Marine stores
and marinas.

Do not respond on this forum.

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Posted: July 02 2011 at 09:27 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

To Allen,

Subject: Cookies and Milk Time

OK, I apologize for calling you a fool.  Your post of June 30 at 12:24 and the apparently taunting nature in which was written really ticked me off.  But I overreacted.  Please accept my apologies.  Let’s be careful of how we write our posts in the future.

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Posted: July 02 2011 at 09:41 | IP Logged Quote eshover

Gentlepeople - I have not been on the forum in a while.   
When topics turn to sniping and bickering, I simply tune
out.
We are adults and should act like adults. We have
"lurkers" that have peeked at the forum and I imagine they
cannot believe what the read!
From experience I can tell you that these types of on-going
flames can destroy a very useful site.
In this world there are always folks who are strong willed
and opinionated. There is a time and place for everything.

My father never finished high school and yet became a
master mechanic, transmission specialist, steam fitter,
guitar and banjo picker (thanks Dad), could wire and plumb
houses and read blueprints. Not bad, huh? Oh yeah, and
farmed when he got home from his day job.

There's an old song written by the late-great Grampa Jones
of Grand Old Opry fame. The song is titled "The Valley of
the Never Do No Good" and the line goes;
"I never had the sense to be an educated fool...."

Let's stay civil to one another......life is short.

Emory

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suwanneered
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Posted: July 02 2011 at 09:43 | IP Logged Quote suwanneered

Hello to all on the Constelllation Site:
 I just want to let you know that this site is being watched by 1000's of folks who love the Chris Crafts.Whether it is a commander which I own or a Catalina,Roamer,Etc. We we all are looking for ways to improve our boats and systems. So we are on many forums enjoying the information we get.I think I am on at least 6 maybe more and love every one of them.
Some great folks in boating!Sometimes we get a burr under our blanket so stay cool!!Waiting for the next post with information.Thanks,Bill Smith FDA38-3023R
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Posted: July 02 2011 at 09:50 | IP Logged Quote Grey Goose

Pete your apology has been accepted

Just to repost
I post some posts from my cell phone. These posts are short and to
the point.

You go Grampa Jones.

Allen
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Emory
I would post on Craigslist to ask about the fiberglass guy. There are
always notices and responses about problem contractors and
mechanics on the boats for sale page.
Allen
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Posted: July 02 2011 at 10:19 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi All,

Subject:  Some Good News

The 2011 Connie DVD Library is finally ready.  I burned the first copy last night.  It will go Mark Dawes as soon as the Holidays are over July 5.  It takes 10 minutes to burn a 2.2 GB Connie DVD Library with about 4000 files.

I'm working on a Table of Contents and Index file but it was too late to encorporate.  I can send it as an email file attachment later.

If you have asked for a copy please send me a reminder.  I think I have most of the requests but a few may have been mislaid.

Pete37



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Posted: July 02 2011 at 10:25 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Suwanneered,

Yes , I am aware of the phantom hoard that reads but never posts.  We have almost 300,000 reads but only 4600 posts.  That's 65 reads for every post. 

Makes me wonder why they read and what they are after.  Strangely the Catalina Forum has a lot more posts but fewer reads. Maybe we could make a Soap Opera about it. 

Pete37



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Pete: As I said earlier in my post most are Chris Craft Lovers and are always looking for new ideas and methods to fix things on their boats.I hope you all don't mind people reading you posts. Happy 4th to all ,Bill
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Pete 37:  I  read the BoatUS forms, primarily the Catalina forum.   I  also read but normally only rarely, post comments on the Constellation forum.  The purpose of  commenting today,is a  deviation from the norm for me, and is an exception.  As owner of a Chris Craft, I too seek information, from many sources to successfully acquire the necessary information for purposes to ensure that I continue the accomplishment of a safe and responsible Master, on the water.  The purpose, should be obvious.  

While there are numerous sources of information, the Constellation forum is---only ONE, of those I utilize.  As with all sources of information, some is useful, some not.  The importance of separating junk-info, and that having  superiority, is the useful.   I personally, choose to discard information deemed inconsistent with a reliably  proven source (s).  I read and consume the relevant information, suitable and appropriate within ones requirement, to accomplish the task at-hand.   From my life experience's, most useful information is constrained, due to conflicting viewpoints within the source. While diversity of experiences, and exchange of  problems, to solve problems, due to complexities of mechanical appurtenances, pertinent towards our respective vessels of  ownership, there is necessity to promote inclusiveness of members, within that forum.   A vessel, dead-in-the-water, has very serious consequences, regardless of vessel, and ownership.  All vessels, do have a proportionate  ratio of operating costs, and funding that affects everyone, regardless of ones perspective and opinion, towards vessels, and Masters.  As with most forums, they have usefulness and utility, within those limitations. However, I and  owners of Chris Craft vessels, respective to availability, shall continue to solve problems and discuss solutions, relative towards the critical importance of efficacy, aligned both towards operating costs, and solutions.  As such, we have became friends, and engage in the comradely exchange, we so well enjoy.

As you well know, water-borne vessels, are manufactured of widely- varied description suitable to utility.  A responsible Master would never purchase a vessel, in a futile endeavor, and over-buy, relative to their needs.  Although the overwhelming yearning is there, proper constraint must be excercised.  Much as alike when on the water.

As this is the July 4th Holiday,and we are celebrating the birth of our great country, as we are, all in this together, I sincerely wish you and yours, a exceptionally pleasant and safe holiday, on the water!!

Thank you Pete,  Fly Bridge (Dan) 

"If they don't find you handsome, maybe they will find you handy"

 



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Posted: July 02 2011 at 17:56 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Fly Bridge Dan,

It's nice to know that you get some useful information out of our forum. That was why we started the forum.  As with all forums there is a lot of clutter.  One has to read it and sort.

I believe that one thing sets our forum apart from most is that we have a Connie Library that records everything we know about Connies.  I don't think there is any other yacht in the world that has a 2.2 GB, 4000 file User's Manual.

Fortunately you don't have to read the whole User's Manual before using your Connie.

Pete37



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Posted: July 03 2011 at 21:56 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Dave,

Subject: Sticky Fuel valves

I got around to working on my fuel valves today. The port valve would go from the port to aft position but wouldn't go to the stbd position.  The center (transfer) valve wouldn't go anywhere.  It was stuck in the "Off" position.  The starboard valve would go from port to aft to stbd but it took a lot of effort to move.

I looked at the problem a bit and realized that the problem was the short valve handles.  The way they are made you can only get a lever arm of about 3". 

So I took off the lever arm and exposed the four sided cap nut on the valve.  I then found a 12 point socket that would fit snugly to it and attached a 10" handle to the socket.  This gave me a lever arm of about 10".  With the extra leverage all the valves began to move.  Some very slowly at first but the more they were worked the looser the valves became.

I applied some oil to the valve shaft and kept working the valves back and forth until they were loose enough to work by hand.  They all work by hand now with the short brass handles.  However, the port valve is still dificult to get into the stbd position.  I need to work it a bit more.

Using a 12 point socket is a bit risky.  Push too hard on it and you'll strip off the points on the four sided cap nut.  It worked for me but might not work for your valves which may be very strongly jammed. In your case I would recommend using a four sided socket.  A well stocked hardware store would probably have them.

Of course you have to be careful not to push too hard on the socket handle.  You might damage the valve.  How hard is too hard? It's a matter of judgement and luck.

Don't know whether this will work for you but it worked for me.

Pete37

 



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Posted: July 04 2011 at 18:03 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi All,

Subject: Fuel Valves

Yesterday I described how I managed to free up my jammed fuel valves.  For those who haven’t used your fuel valves very much I suggest that you exercise them frequently.  Otherwise they jam up and that can be very awkward.

I haven't used them much either but I will in the future just to keep them working.  They are usually set so that the port engine draws from the port main tank or the port saddle tank.  The stbd engine usually draws from the stbd main tank or the stbd saddle tank.   Anything more than that is too complicated.  The following picture shows the fuel valves on what is known as the Fuel Manifold:

It is located, as most of you know, under the top step of the companionway between the aft cabins and the lower salon.  Overall the three valves are known as the Fuel Manifold. 

The left valve is known as the “Port Valve” and has three positions. The left position is “OFF”.  In this position the port engine cannot draw fuel. The center position (to which the selector is now pointed) is the “AFT” position in which the port engine draws fuel from the port main fuel tank located under the bed in the Master Stateroom.  The right position draws fuel from the port saddle tank in the engine room.

The right valve is known as the “Stbd Valve” and has three positions.  The left position is “OFF”. In this position the stbd engine cannot draw fuel.  The center position (to which the selector is now pointed) is the “AFT” position in which the stbd engine draws fuel from the stbd main fuel tank located under the bed in the Master Stateroom.  The right position draws fuel from the stbd saddle tank in the engine room.

The last (center valve) is the “Emergency Crossover Valve”.  From its name we know that its purpose is to allow fuel to be drawn (in an emergency) from a location that is not normally possible.  For example, just using the port and starboard valves, there is no way for the port engine to draw fuel from either of the stbd tanks (main and saddle).  And there is no way for the stbd engine to draw fuel from either of the port tanks (main and saddle).  The left position is “Off” (to which the selector is pointed) and the down position is “On”.  This valve has only two positions.

One obvious thought is that in the crossover “On” position fuel can be drawn from both the port and starboard tanks and used by both engines.  The problem with this concept is that if one tank is empty it will allow air to bleed into the fuel lines which we all know would lead to nearly instant engine shutdown.

So far I haven’t been able to figure out how the emergency crossover valve works.  Perhaps it makes the assumption that the user will shut off the empty tanks before switching to the crossover “On” position.  But I have never seen a set of instructions for using the crossover valve.  Perhaps someone on the forum has. 

I am going to try to figure out the crossover valve by looking at the fuel line plumbing in the engine room.

 Pete37



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Posted: July 04 2011 at 18:16 | IP Logged Quote Bennett

Hi Pete and all,

I sent you a detail drawing of the fuel circuit awhile back, and
if you review this you will see how this works. Basically, it
connects the port and starboard tanks.

Bennett

PS- let me know if you need me to resend. I was hoping that
you included my drawings in the Connie library for everyone.

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Posted: July 04 2011 at 18:31 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Bennett,

Unfortunately, the resolution on the diagrams wasn't high enough to really tell how the Fuel Manifold works.  However, if it is a simple paralleling of the tanks you would have to shut off any tanks that were empty to prevent air from getting into the engine fuel intake lines.  Also if they are in parallel but not empty, what regulates how much fuel is taken from each tank?  And where does the return fuel go?

There are a lot of questions to be answered.  It only seems to make sense if you shut down one of the banks (port or stbd) before you turn the crossover valve on.

Pete37



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Posted: July 05 2011 at 07:27 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi All,

Subject: Fuel Valve Theory Continued

In the last post on fuel valves, I described the valves of fuel manifold, how they functioned and what their purposes were.  However, the description of the fuel crossover valve was only preliminary.  Since I wrote the last post I have examined the manifold plumbing in the engine room and now have a better understanding of how it works.

Let me define some terms.  Port bank means the port main and port saddle fuel tanks. Stbd bank means the stbd main and stbd saddle fuel tanks.   Putting the crossover valve in the ”On” position couples the port valve to the stbd valve thereby putting the port bank in parallel with the stbd bank.   This allows both engines to draw fuel from and discharge fuel to both banks.

There are probably only three situations when you would put the crossover valve in the “On” position.  The first is when one bank is either empty or likely to become empty.  The second is when one bank has more fuel than the other and you want to “even up” the fuel in the banks.  And the third is when the fuel in one bank is contaminated and you want to avoid using it.

In the first case if one bank is empty or getting close to empty you would switch the crossover valve to “On” and then put the valve of the empty bank (port valve or stbd valve) in the “Off” position so the engines can’t draw air from the empty bank.  The engines would then continue operating using the fuel from the bank which is not empty.

In the second case if one bank has more fuel than the other and you want to even them up you would switch the crossover valve to “On” and then put the valve of the bank (port valve or stbd valve) which has less fuel in the “Off” position so the engines will draw fuel only from the bank with more fuel.  The engines would then continue operating until the two banks have the same amount of fuel.  At that point the valve of the bank which is in the “Off” position would be switched back to its original position and the crossover valve would be switched to the “Off” position.

In the third case if one bank has contaminated fuel you don’t want to use you would switch the crossover valve to “On” and then put the valve of the contaminated bank (port valve or stbd valve) in the “Off” position so the engines can’t draw fuel from the contaminated bank.  The engines would then continue operating using the fuel from the uncontaminated bank.

The term “crossover valve” tends to indicate that somehow you can transfer fuel from one tank to another.  But that is not the case. In all these cases, the return fuel from the engine is returned to the tank from which it was drawn and there is no valve configuration which will route it to another tank.

All this “valving” is rather confusing.  However, it is unlikely that you will ever use the crossover valve or the “Off” position of the port and stbd valves.  You will just continue switching from main to saddle tanks as necessary.  In order to remember what to do in the case of emergency you should probably copy this post and store the copy in the Fuel Manifold compartment.

Pete37



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Hi Furman,

Subject:  Connie DVD Library

Your copy of the Library is ready.  All I need is an address.  I've got a couple in my records plus a couple emai addresses.  Please email me your latest address.

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We are in need of some information from members in the Annapolis area.

While anchored out in Round Bay this weekend, during a storm, we were t-boned by a sailboat, who proceeded to get fouled in our running gear and anchor.  When he rammed the boat, he broke the glass in the mid/aft head and bent the window frame, knocking out the center support.  I also have a huge "chunk" of gel coat missing and about 20 deep scratches and gouges.

I know that some on the forum have had to replace this glass and have taken out the other matching window to make a template.  Since this is all going to be insurance work, we would prefer a professional to fix everything, but I am not sure if that center section can be replaced.  Any suggestions to whom I can call?

Looking for references for someone to repair the window and most importantly a good gel coat guy who can match my "beige" gel coat.  Since we are a 1985, we are beige instead of the whiter color used in later years.  I am so afraid of having a poor job done and having the side of the boat look like it has polka dots on it from the repairs.  We were given the name of "Gel Coat Kate"  Has anyone used her?

We are going to have our diver go down and look at the running gear to make sure that all is well with it.

The guy had 140 ft of line out in 12 ft of water and was amazed that he swung around us and got fouled in our chain and running gear.  Very costly mistake for his ignorance in anchoring in a crowded harbor for the fireworks where he did not have that kind of room to swing.

Thanks for any help that can be provided.

Vicki



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Posted: July 05 2011 at 17:53 | IP Logged Quote David Ross

Glad we are back to civil commentary. Let's keep it that way. Harsh comments will keep new people away and drive good active ones to leave. If I came across this site in the middle of a tirade I would not have joined on. Another outbreak could very likely cause some good imput people to leave. We can disagree and comment nicely, say nothing at all (Mother may have been right) and/or follow the quoted philosophies sent in recently by followers of this site.

I am getting into the fuel valve problem and hope to have a solution this week or at least discover the best way to go. Thanks for the information and ideas. I previously had been able to lubricate and apply some force on the handles to change tank positions, but they still would not turn as easily as a new valve. As previously mentioned I tapped the top of the vavle slightly and it seems to be locked tight. Lesson learned, leave well enough alone and don't tap the top of the stem. That being said,  getting the valves working properly may have saved a bigger problem later.



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Posted: July 05 2011 at 18:37 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Tony and Vicki,

Sorry to hear that you've been attacked by a sailboat. Hope the guy has plenty of insurance.

It shouldn't be too hard to match the color of your boat.  Actually it's not beige it's called Hatteras Off White.  Several paint companies carry that color.  Don't know whether you can get it as a pre-mixed gel coat or not but a reasonably skilled gel coat guy should be able to custom mix a batch with a reasonably close color match.  I've had several spots on my boat patched and it takes a very keen eye to notice any color mismatch.

 For window frames you ought to contact Aluminum 2000. They made the original windows.  Don't have their number at hand but a web search will find them very quickly.

Sorry, I don't have a gel coat guru to recommend.  My work was just done by the local yard (Kent Narrows Yacht Yard).  They seemed reasonably competent.

Pete37



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Tony and Vicki,
In 1985, Chris Craft had a White gel coat, a Buckskin gel
coat, a Rust Brown gel coat and a Storm Gray gel coat.
In 1985 - 1990 they also produced the Chris Craft White
Oyster gel coat. 1986 - 1987 the produced a Taupe gel coat
as well as a White gel coat (pure white).
There are many other variance of colors as well depending
upon the type and style of boat. My boat is the Oyster
White which matching quite well with the Hatteras off-white
as stated.
However, I've looked at your boat closely this evening and
as you can also tell, there is a good difference between the
colors of our boats.
Your best bet is to locate a top-flight gel coat specialist and
don't settle for anything less. After all, the insurance
companies mission should be to have your boat brought
back to the condition it was in before this rag hauler hit
you.
You say he bragged about letting out 140' feet of scope in
14' of water? Are you kidding me? What's to brag about?
The fact that he doesn't understand how to figure proper
scope?

PS - I am in the process of being scammed by a so-called
gel coat fiberglass "specialist" and I am reaaaaally pissed
right now. But more of that later.
Emory
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Posted: July 05 2011 at 20:47 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Emory,

Subject: CC Gel Coat Colors

CC may have had all those gel coat colors but I've never seen a Connie that wasn't either white or Hatteras Off-White.  Could you give me an example of a Connie that was Buckskin, Rust Brown, Storm Grey or Taupe. 

I looked through all the pictures in the Misc Connies section of the Connie Library and couldn't find one that wasn't either white or Hatteras Off-White.  It's very difficult to tell the difference between these two colors from pictures due to color balance problems.  But I'm sure I would have detected a Buckskin, Rust Brown, Storm Grey or Taupe Connie.  Those colors were probably only used for trim.

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Pete,

I can tell you that if my color even has white in the name then the guy was color blind.  I am more akin to the beige color that SeaRay also used in the 80's.  Emory is a lighter color than we are and the 1987 and 1988's that we have seen are what I would call a winter white.  Based on what Emory said and the name colors, I would have to guess that I am buckskin.  Are there any owners of the early 1985's that have had gel repair done?  Do you recall how they matched the color?

We will start the process of interviewing gel coat people.  I want to see examples of their work before they work on this boat. 

Thank you for the window information.  I think that I need to help whoever is hired to do the job, with any information, since it is an older boat.

Vicki



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Posted: July 05 2011 at 21:59 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Tony and Vicki,

Don't worry about the name.  Regardless of what color your Connie was in 1985 it has faded to an entirely different color by now anyway.  Most gel coat repairs are custom matched and they don't worry about assigning a name. And I doubt that Emory's Connie is the same color it was in 1986 either.  Only boats kept under cover have a chance of staying the same color as they age. 

However, in looking at all the pictures of Five Star I have (way back to before you owned her) all the pictures indicate some sort of off white and I think the original sales literature described 85 Connies as white.

I looked at the pictures of the five 1985 Connies presently on Yachtworld and they look white or off-white.  But I also looked at pictures of 1986 & 1987 Connies (which I know are Hatteras Off-White) and they looked about the same as your Connie and the 1985 Connies.  There isn't much difference between white and Hatteras Off-White.  The Hatteras Off-White just has a slight beige tint.

Pete37



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Re-organized some parts from the boat's previous owner(s) today and came across these fuel filters.  They were in Racor boxes and marked as "2020."  They look to be about the right size but have different bottom caps.  Can anyone identify them?  Are they possibly old and no longer usable?




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Nancy and I decided that the dish washer wasn't useful for us.  We normally hand wash and while we do entertain, the groups are typically smaller.  So, we had the dishwasher removed and replaced with a custom cabinet.  It has made a huge difference!  Thought I'd share pictures.

The quality of the cabinet is very good.  All the rails and accessories are stainless steel.  The match on the wood is as good as it can get given the time elapsed.  The match on styling is also very good.  The top and bottom shelves work together.  The middle shelf is independent so its easy to get in and out. 

I'm very impressed with Washington Marine's cabinet maker.




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Posted: July 05 2011 at 22:58 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Mark,

Subject: 2020 Filter

The 2020 filter element fits the 1000 FG Filter.  The 2010 filter element fits the 500 Series Filter.

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Subj: Racors & Changing Fuel Filters

Changed the fuel filters today.  I emptied the old fuel out and refilled the Racors manually.  Before I started the motors I primed the lines.  Problem is, I do this and and am never sure how to tell if air has been exhausted from the lines.  How can you tell how effective the priming pumps have been?

Also, the square nut on the bottom of the Racor unit on the port side has gotten nearly stripped over the years.  I'd like to replace it.  However, I'd like to replace it with an "elbow unit" like the one on the starboard Racor.  Does anyone else have this type of installation and do you know where to get replacement parts.  I checked the Parker-Racor site and it doesn't look hopeful.

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Hi Mark and Nancy,

Subject: New Cabinet

Looks great!  Good idea.  Gives you lots of extra storage space.  We don't use our dishwasher much either.  But of course the cabinet didn't come for free.

Your DVD disk is on the way.

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Thanks Pete, couple follow ups ...

My Racor units take a 1237 replacement filter.  Is this considered in the 1000 series?  Also, not knowing if/how filters age ... if they've gone unused for 4-5 years are they still "good enough" to use as spares?

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Posted: July 05 2011 at 23:20 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Mark,

Subject: Filter Changing

I change the Racors frequently and never prime the lines.  Take off the top of the Racor, pull out the old element, drain the bowl and put in a new element.  Then manually pour in fuel until the fuel is right up to the top of the rim. Put on the lid and screw it down tight.  Then start the engine.

Works every time.  Never have any problems.  I use a two gallon portable fuel container to supply the fuel for refilling the Racors.  Have to remember to refill it occasionally. You should change the gaskets too.

Pete37

PS. I've never heard of a shelf life on fiters.  If you keep them dry and clean they should last forever. Lot's of companies make elements for the Racor filters.  I don't recognize the 1237 number but it's probably the model number for the element.  There should be some indication on the box indicating what filter it's for.  If not take it to your local auto parts store and he'll look it up



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Guess its my night to "load the boards" tonight...

When we refinished the woodwork over the winter we took the side boards off near the wing doors.  I got the boat back the the Chris Craft Shields were damaged.  On one side the shield is gone altogether on the other the black plastic backing unit is severely cracked.  Anyone know where I can get replacements?

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Yeah, that's how I did it.  Just wanted to know about the priming pumps in case it became important sometime.  Used them once when I particle got stuck and the port motor wouldn't fire.  Not sure the priming pumps actually solved the problem...probably didn't.  Nonetheless...

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Posted: July 05 2011 at 23:33 | IP Logged Quote Pete37

Hi Mark,

Try Chrisparts for your logo:

www.chrisparts.com

The black plastic you will probably have to cut yourself with a scroll saw. Or there are plastic shops that will do it for you; at a price.

Pete37

PS: I'm not sure whether my priming pumps work or not.  They seem to sort of work but I think they should be replaced.  I've found a source if you're interested.  About $150 per pump as I recollect.



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Posted: July 05 2011 at 23:53 | IP Logged Quote Bennett

Detroit Diesels can handle a lot of air, unlike most other
diesels with high pressure pumps. And as Pete described,
when you change the Racor filters, w/o emptying the
housing, there is no need to prime.

Tip:
To fill/prime the system after cleaning the Racors and
replacing all of my fuel lines, I attached a fluid extractor
(Moeller type) tank to pull a vacuum on the fuel return line.
This made easy work as it only took a few hand pumps,
and the excess fuel flows into the fluid extractor's tank.

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Mark,  Chrisparts has the replacement shield, but not like the original die cast one that you had.  They now only have a "gel" printed one.  It has a sticky back, but since I am on my third one "lost", we will put a small screw in the new one.





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